EP 112 | Brian Chiles | Axon Body Worn Cameras

Body-worn cameras have become one of the most important tools in modern policing — not just for transparency, but for investigations, evidence collection, and courtroom testimony.

On this episode of Forensics Talks, I’ll be speaking with Bryan Chiles, Senior Manager of Axon Forensics, about how Axon body cameras are helping shape the future of law enforcement. Bryan has been with the company since 2005 and has played a key role in developing and testing both TASERs and body-worn cameras. Today, he serves as an expert witness in cases involving Axon technologies and works closely with legal and forensic teams around the world.

We’ll talk about how Axon cameras handle authentication, SHA256 hashing, chain of custody, automatic activation, and more — and why these technical features matter when it comes to reconstructing events, reviewing use of force, and building solid cases.

Originally aired on: October 16, 2025

Transcript

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Hey, folks, here we are. Welcome back.

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Forensics talks.

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We got another episode here
after a little bit of a break.

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It's been a busy summer,
and now that we're into the fall,

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we're going to get some more
of these forensics talks,

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back on and, different topics,
different subjects and all that.

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So, Yeah. Thanks.

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my guest today is Brian Chiles
and he is from axon.

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And officially,

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I guess it's excellent Enterprise Inc,
but Brian has been a past guest before.

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And if you want to look back,
it's on episode 57.

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There's a podcast form.

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It's up on YouTube as well.

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And that episode we talked about tasers.

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But in this episode we're going to be
talking about body cameras

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and specifically
the axon, body worn cameras.

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Now, Brian has been a great resource
for me over the past few years.

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Just,

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on the Taser research that we've done,
some body camera work that we've done.

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And, I mean, he really is
focused in on the forensic area.

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So, he's been at the company recently
celebrated 20 years.

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And so I'm not going to go into a deep, 
background on Brian because like I said,

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you can find it in the previous episode,
but let me bring him on in here.

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There he is. Hey, Brian, how's it going?

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How are you doing? I'm doing good.

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All right. Hey,
thanks for coming back again.

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This is round two for you. So,

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episode 57.

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So not quite, twice as many episodes,
but we're getting there, and,

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Yeah, like, as always, I do appreciate
all the help you've given me.

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The information. And, 
a lot of great input.

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So thank you for that.

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Absolutely happy to be here.

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All right, well, I want to get started
with, we're going to jump

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pretty pretty much into this whole body
worn camera

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things
because this is a big deal for axon.

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And, I, you know, I always think of axon
when I first thought of, you know,

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new mode. Axon I think tasers, tasers.

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But more recently when I think of axon,
I'm starting to think more about

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body worn cameras
and less about the tasers

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and so,
I mean, you've been there 20 years now.

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I'm sure you've seen a lot of transition,
but can you tell me, two things.

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One is what your current position is
because I think it's

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changed from the last time
a little bit from the last time we spoke.

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And also, can you talk about
the transition from when you first started

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way back in around 2005 to today and what,
what products or what

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things have changed at axon that have,
you know, become more popular or,

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just bigger inside the company
than they were before?

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Yeah.

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So my current role as senior
manager of Axon Forensics,

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I think it was a couple of years ago
when I was on before, and I was,

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senior investigations engineer,
something like that.

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But, overall, now I have a team.

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Before, I was a one man team,
so now I'm a two person team,

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and, basically

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focus on forensic investigations using,

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axon products, or even other products.

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But typically when a axon, tool is used
in a use of force or some type of arrest

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or whatever,
we get involved and tell the story

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from the perspective of the taser logs
or the body worn camera,

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or if authentec is being questioned,
we get involved.

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So, and then we go and educate a jury
and explain here's what the technology is.

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So and how it's evolved over time.

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Right.

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And I met your
I met your partner there too.

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So maybe give her a shout out. What
what can you tell me about your partner?

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Kayla is great.

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She's.

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I was, really overworked and,
you know, desperate for help.

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So she came in, she had worked here
before as an intern.

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And so she knew the products
already, and,

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and so she she came in and really quickly

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picked it up and was able to,
help me out with the workload.

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And, I think we're do a more accurate job
on everything that we do as well.

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Yeah.

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I think when I visited last time,

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she must have just started
because I remember it was really new.

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She was very new there.

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So she must have just gotten hired
when I, when I first met her.

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Yeah.

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Yeah,
she was, pretty new at that point. So.

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Right on.

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Well, let's talk about the,
the transition of

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or the, the cameras and how they've sort
of, grown or changed.

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So, for example, if we roll the clock
back to 2005, when you first started,

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were you primarily working on tasers

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back then, or were you also heavily
into the body camera stuff?

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Well, we didn't

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have body cameras yet at that point,
but we did have cameras.

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So, when I started in 2005, Taser

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cam was a project
and R&D wasn't released yet.

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I think we came out with it in 2006,

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but that was the camera that mounted
on the bottom of a taser weapon.

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And then after a lot of field use,
I well, even then in 2005,

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we were talking about body cameras,
how to record these incidents

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because we knew
that would be really good evidence.

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One thing we learned on Taser
cams is a lot of officers

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don't aim their Taser at a person
till they're ready to deploy.

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So we got a lot of recordings of boots

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and, you know, 
a lot of ground shots and boot shots.

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And so, in 2009 was I think it was 2009
when we came out

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with our first actual body camera
that they would wear on their body.

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That was, we call it Axon Pro.

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Had a big computer.

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Actually, I have one of them here
on a plaque on the wall,

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but it was like a computer screen
that would fit on their belt.

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Took a lot of real estate on their belt.

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So, that one,

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we moved on to make it smaller.

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That was the biggest thing was
it was large.

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So then, let's see,
I think it was 2012 when we came out

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with Axon Flex,
which was a camera that could mount on,

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lapel collar, mount, baseball cap,
or we even partnered with Oakley.

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So there you go. And, Oakley glasses.

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And then there was a call for,
body camera

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that would actually mount on the body
because sometimes an officer, you know,

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might be looking a different way
than what's going on.

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And so, camera on their head

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only, sometimes wasn't a good option.

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You know, we wanted
them to have all the tools available,

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you know, rather,

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they wanted it on their chest
or a head mount or lapel mount or whatnot.

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So, and then we came out
with a body camera.

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Axon body one.

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Back in 2013.

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And then it was just,
you know, developing,

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improvements over the years
and coming out with newer models,

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improving battery,
improving video quality,

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etc., different features.

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Okay.

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So from the
you've kept the, the body name.

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So it's like axon body one
and then like I've got

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well you can help me here
because there's, there was a body too.

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And then there was there's a the flex too.

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Right. So this is the,
this is the flex two.

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So it has the separate camera
that you can mount up,

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like you said, inside of your glasses
or a hat or whatever.

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And then yeah

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the body to
this is the body to it's like more square.

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So this is just, you know, single camera
you put on there.

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Then you have, the body three, right?

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There's the body three
and then there's an out

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and now there's a body for correct.

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Right.

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And you can probably guess
what will be next.

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Well maybe not because of trend.

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So let me let me ask you about this.
The body.

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The body two like the body two
and the flex two.

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So somebody
somebody thought hey, let's let's offer

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like did one come out before the other
or were these somewhat simultaneous

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when what when this option
with the separate camera came out,

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I believe body two came out first.

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And then shortly after we had flex
two, was released.

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Okay.

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So we have some agencies
prefer the POV camera

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and some prefer
just having it on their chest or belt.

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And so we just wanted to be able to
provide whatever option that they wanted.

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You'll notice we skipped flex three.

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And we're more working on adding,
POV to the body camera.

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So now you buy one unit and you have
you can do

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POV or body camera, 
you know, and switch them.

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Alternate.

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Okay.

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So it's it is an option then like
for example, is it an option on the four.

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Yeah.

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That's option axon body four.

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And I have one here.

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So this is Axon body four.

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And then we have mine has writing on it.

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But has a POV camera
that attaches to the body.

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Four.

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So on flex we have the controller unit
and then wired to a camera.

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Now the body four acts
as the controller unit as well.

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Now it doesn't record
from both simultaneously.

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If you plug in the POV,
it's going to prioritize POV.

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But if you disconnect POV, then it's
recording from the body camera I see.

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Okay, what can you tell me about the
maybe some of the internal,

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like resolution and quality and frame
rates and things like that, going up

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to the four and, you know, kind of how,
how is that changed over time?

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So, for example, do you know,
what's the what's sort of the,

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the best you can do on the four
in terms of video quality and frame rate?

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Body four does.

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1440p so

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standard is 1080p.

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But an agency can choose and request
to go up to 1440.

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But there's, you know, the higher
the resolution,

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the more power draw on the battery
and the more storage for each video.

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And so there's a balance
that they have to come out with.

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And so, but they can record up to 1440
back in the day, like the,

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the first party cameras
I think were 480 max and then, body

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two and flex two, we went up to ten ADP,

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and then body four, we introduced 1440.

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But I think the,
the default standard is still 1080, 1080.

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It's a really good resolution
for what's needed.

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I don't know if there's plans
to go to like 4K or, you know, ultra HD.

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You know, most of the time
these are viewed on a computer screen

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rather than,
you know, displayed on a large screen.

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And so, but, you know, if,

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if customers want higher quality

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as technology
allows it, we continue to, to bump it up.

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Do some police agencies decide to, like,
turn it down

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because you have options on the camera,
like you can you can switch on the mode,

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but are there some that maybe decide, hey,
you know, at 1080p it's, you know,

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maybe you want to save some space
and they'll go down to 720 or something.

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Yeah, they can go down to four ADP.

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So it's it's really up to them.

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We built these cameras to be customizable.

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And so whatever the customer needs,
if they are worried about storage,

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and not so much on quality,
they can pop it down.

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But if they want high quality,
but need to balance that with storage,

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they can go
to, you know, 720 or go up to 1080.

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You know, it's really up to them
and what their needs are.

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Okay.

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So question about the operation of the,
the cameras

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and how they're sort of integrated with,
within this axon ecosystem.

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And one question
I have has to do with signal activation,

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like how how what are the different ways
that the camera can begin to record,

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you guys had like buffers
and you have like different options.

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You know, an officer could potentially
shut it up, go into sleep mode

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and different things.

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Can you explain more or less
how somebody can initiate

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the camera recording,
whether it's, a conscious or unconscious?

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Yeah.

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So in the beginning,

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we started with, the camera turns on
and it goes into buffering mode.

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So then it's recording, video
and typically no audio.

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We've made it a setting now,
but in the first versions it was just

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video, no audio.

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And to a, a pretty much
a circular buffer of memory.

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And then, we gave it,
what we call the event button,

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which is the button in the middle.

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So I have an old one.

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Here's the here's the body one,
the first version.

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So this button in the middle,

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they would double tap that
if they press it twice within one second

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it automatically goes into event mode

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and attaches to the 32nd buffer
that was keeping.

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Attaches that to the beginning
of the footage and starts

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recording
audio and video depending on settings. So

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with by I believe it was on body two

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that we started a signal activation
because there are some cases

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where an officer is in a very stressful,
fast evolving situation

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and they forgot to double tap
and start recording.

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So we wanted ways for them to be able

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to start recording
without them having to think about it.

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So now fast forward to now
we have, multiple sensors

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which, can it sends a wireless signal

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and any cameras that are
within the reach of that wireless signal.

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And if they're configured to do so,
those automatically start recording

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when that signal is received.

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So for instance,
we have our signal sidearm

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that is a sensor
mounted to the holster of their firearm.

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And if it senses the firearm being removed
it automatically sends that signal.

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Any cameras in that area
will automatically start

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recording
when the officer removes the firearm.

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Plus, they have their buffer period
to show what was happening

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before that happen.

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We also have a sensor and and vehicle.

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They can customize it
to different triggers like airbag,

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shotgun lock, driver's side door,

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like our sirens.

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So different triggers
can, turn on the camera,

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have it automatically recorded.

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Even our fleet cameras are, what we call
dash cameras are fleet systems.

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Even, triggered on speed of the car

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or collision detection,
and they'll automatically start recording.

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So we want to take,
the thinking out of it

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and if there's a critical situation,
be able to start

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recording automatically
without the officer having to act on it.

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What about the the Taser?

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It's also,
I guess, imagine it's the same thing.

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Like the gun taser as well.

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We so back in the day
with x two and x 26,

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you had to have a special battery
pack called the ESP.

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That battery pack allowed the
the wireless signal to go,

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but with Taser seven and Taser ten,
we've built that into the weapon.

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And so when the weapons arm it sends that
signal, there's also customization,

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that they can configure
what their cameras, will start to.

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So you can have a ton of false alarms
depending on environment.

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So they can configure their cameras to
respond to, you know, certain triggers.

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Or you can have like, 
function tests for a Taser.

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We can turn it off so it doesn't turn on
all the cameras in the agency.

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When someone's doing a spark test
beforehand.

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Okay.

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There's also, in preparation for this,
this talk, there was a video that I saw.

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I think it was on the body force
where, you know, they show an officer at,

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you know, some event or whatever, but,

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people can get, information back.

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How can I say, like,
somebody can be back at the headquarters,

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let's say, and they can be monitoring,

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you know, some critical activity
or something through the body camera

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at the same, you know, when when an event
occurs, you explain that.

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Yeah.

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So, that is our response tool
and that is, the camera can live

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stream over, cellular signal and,

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you can have if,

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camera is recording, 
actively in event mode,

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someone, 
a supervisor at the station can go in

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and get a live stream of that footage,
and see what's going on.

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New on body for now.

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We also have, where an officer

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can, push a button, and it's.

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We call it watch me,
but it's a request for help,

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and that will go to supervise
orders or whatever.

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And they can go on and not only stream it,
but also two way communicate

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through the camera,
through the speaker on the camera, and,

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talk to the officer, you know, walk them
through whatever they need help with.

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Okay.

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And in cases
where, you know, an officer walks in

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to a bathroom or they walk into a

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I mean, they don't want their camera
buffering stuff or whatever, just in case.

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So with
how do you put the thing to sleep or

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how do you tell it, hey, no recording.

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Yeah.

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So for body three and body four,
we have sleep mode, which it's,

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it takes two button, two button presses
to get it into that mode.

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So we don't want them to accidentally
put it in a sleep mode.

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So they have to go to a menu
and select it.

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But that puts the camera

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into what we call sleep mode,
where it's no longer buffering.

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It's pretty much just a low power mode
where it doesn't really need to boot up

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to start recording again.

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It's it's already booted up,
but it's not recording.

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It's reduced its power output.

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And, it's easy
to, double tap on the button.

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We'll bring it back into event mode,
immediately.

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Okay, cool.

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How do you guys handle the video
authentication?

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So, I'm, I'm assuming that you guys do
some hashing on the files

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and, just just
how do you handle some of that?

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That's actually my favorite

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part about,
what we've built into the body cameras

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is it's so easy to authenticate
the videos.

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You know, there's claims all the time.

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The, the police are, altering

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the body camera footage or, you know,

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sometimes if, footage
goes against someone's case, they might

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claim, okay, this has been altered
and try to get it, you know, thrown out

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and authenticating axon

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body footage is really easy.

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One it's the security of the camera
you cannot get into,

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axon body camera and delete footage
or alter footage.

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It's locked in.

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We have, 
you know, high data security in there.

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Body three and body four.

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The memories encrypted.

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And so you you can't even lift the,
you know,

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going to lift the chip and try to,
you know, extract it from the chip.

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There has to be a handshake done, 
to decrypt

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the memory
before you can even access footage.

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Now, using our mobile app,
an officer can view the footage,

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and see what's on the

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camera or, you know, look,
they can add annotation, you know, add

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a title or categories or whatnot, but
that doesn't change the footage at all.

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And so they cannot access
the footage in the camera,

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and they can't plug it in a USB
and plug into a computer

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and delete footage, either.

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It has to be a handshake
with axon Evidence

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to upload that footage
before it's ever deleted from the camera.

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Now that upload during the upload
process, it's hashing the data.

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And we do Merkle free and Sha256.

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So once the video was uploaded
and it's verified complete,

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it does the final hash of the full video
footage

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and stores that hash value on the server.

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So, every piece of evidence

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uploaded to outside evidence
has, evidence audit trail.

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And on that audit trail is the Sha256
hash of the video that was recorded.

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Another point forensically I want to make
we always get a request

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or a lot of times get a request
for the native format of the video.

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There are other cameras
that record in some native format,

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and then it's transferred or converted
to MP4 or, you know, mPEG or whatever.

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Later on axon
cameras, it's recorded in MP4.

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There is no changes.

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There is no compression changes
or anything from the time

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it's recorded to upload
to downloaded from the server later.

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So it's bit by bit identical.

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So if you have a copy on a flash
drive in court,

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you can quickly do, Sha256
hash on that copy

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and compare it to the evidence audit trail
and they match.

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That's it's guaranteed authentic.

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There's no changes bit by bit.

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So yeah, that's one nice thing.

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Made it very easy,
very easy to authenticate the videos.

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So, I testify in court a lot.

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I've only testified on authentication
a couple times,

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where it's actually gone to court
because typically

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we explain how it works and that usually
I don't hear from them again.

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And I'm not called to testify.

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So, yeah.

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The, and which is nice
because I've, I've had to well,

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if you see body camera footage
all the time now, but the nice part is

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that, you know, that it comes
in at a specific frame, but depending on,

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resolution, depending on what
they've chosen, but also the frame rate.

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So, you know that
it has a fairly consistent frame rate.

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It's not a variable frame rate

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that winds up in one sound, but,
you know, if it's 30 frames or 15 frames

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a second, it's it's pretty, pretty much,
you know, it's

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you're going to be locked down
to 15 frames a second, which is nice.

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Right? Right.

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Yeah.

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And all our cameras are recording,
the event recording

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is at, 30 frames per second.

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We bump it down
for the live stream to the, mobile app.

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So if they want to view what they're
recording, that's a lower frame rate.

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Just, save data.

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But what is being recorded
is 30 frames per second

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at the resolution that the agency chooses.

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Okay.

00:22:46:24 - 00:22:49:14
So I want to ask you about
because you touched on or we touched

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on, like, you know, file sizes and storage
and that sort of thing.

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I cannot imagine the amount of data
you guys are collecting.

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And so, you don't have to
I don't want to know any secrets

00:23:01:23 - 00:23:03:14
or anything or whatever, but do you have,

00:23:03:14 - 00:23:07:15
sort of a sense of how much data
you guys collect on a daily basis

00:23:07:15 - 00:23:12:29
or a yearly basis or whatever, or, 
and how do you know, how do you balance

00:23:13:01 - 00:23:17:26
the storage costs, the bandwidth access
and that sort of thing?

00:23:17:26 - 00:23:19:06
Can you give me some insight on that?

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Well, I have heard

00:23:22:20 - 00:23:27:13
that we have more video footage
than on Netflix, but,

00:23:27:15 - 00:23:30:20
I'm not sure where that came from or,

00:23:30:20 - 00:23:33:27
you know, the statistics behind it,
but that's what I've heard.

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It is a massive amount,
for agencies to balance.

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They need to make sure
that they're categorizing.

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So, anything uploaded, on evidence.

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Any piece of evidence has a, categories

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that determine
when it's going to be deleted.

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And so if it's, you know, minor traffic
stop or whatever they need or, no answer

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that, you know, video is recorded,
but there is no incident tied to it.

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Those can be deleted
in a short period of time.

00:24:05:16 - 00:24:07:09
And there's a sequence that goes through.

00:24:07:09 - 00:24:10:13
So an officer can't just, going in
and delete something

00:24:10:13 - 00:24:14:01
without repercussions or,
supervisors knowing about it.

00:24:14:23 - 00:24:19:13
But they have to balance
taking those minor videos

00:24:19:13 - 00:24:25:00
and purging them out, versus,
you know, a major incident where you need

00:24:25:00 - 00:24:29:02
to keep that for several years
as it goes through the court process.

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And so it's a balance that agencies need
to balance, their storage.

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But axon, our responsibility
is keeping up with, customer base

00:24:38:26 - 00:24:41:26
and how much is being required
to make sure that we have

00:24:41:27 - 00:24:44:21
enough storage to, service them.

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So, and we have a great team of engineers
and, scientists who work on that and,

00:24:50:15 - 00:24:53:15
you know,
make sure we're predicting ahead of time

00:24:53:16 - 00:24:56:15
how much data,
how much storage data is needed.

00:24:56:15 - 00:24:59:27
So was there it was there a year
or a time that you remember?

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It was sort of like an inflection point
where things just like took off or like,

00:25:03:21 - 00:25:06:21
or what is it
sort of been steady over the years?

00:25:06:21 - 00:25:08:17
It definitely was a slow start.

00:25:08:17 - 00:25:12:01
Early
on, you know, there was a settlement.

00:25:12:01 - 00:25:15:01
The officers didn't really want to wear
cameras.

00:25:15:03 - 00:25:17:14
You know, you know,

00:25:17:14 - 00:25:22:25
the man's watching them, and, so it was
it wasn't well received at first,

00:25:22:25 - 00:25:26:28
but I remember
after a few critical incidents,

00:25:26:28 - 00:25:31:03
I remember an officer involved shooting
that I saw where the officer was cleared

00:25:31:03 - 00:25:32:14
within 48 hours.

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The shooting was cleared,
and that was unheard of at the time.

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It would take weeks or sometimes months
to clear an officer in a shooting.

00:25:40:19 - 00:25:44:05
But with Body-Worn video,
it was right there.

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And they were able to clear them,
you know, within 48 hours.

00:25:48:03 - 00:25:51:25
And that and also, you know,

00:25:52:03 - 00:25:56:02
an officer being, 
you know, someone claiming that they were,

00:25:56:02 - 00:25:59:16
you know, use of force
or excessive force or whatnot.

00:26:00:03 - 00:26:01:24
And it's not true.

00:26:01:24 - 00:26:04:09
Well,
the body camera would protect the officer.

00:26:04:09 - 00:26:07:09
And so we started seeing,
you know, probably,

00:26:07:17 - 00:26:12:03
I would say probably 2015, 2016,
is when I saw, like,

00:26:12:07 - 00:26:15:07
okay, it's really taken off,

00:26:15:10 - 00:26:17:23
you know,
but before that it was a steady climb,

00:26:17:23 - 00:26:20:27
but then it really took off
and now it's it's global.

00:26:21:03 - 00:26:27:12
You have officers everywhere, and we've
also it's not just police officers

00:26:27:12 - 00:26:31:26
now we have our, our workforce cameras
where we're selling to companies

00:26:31:26 - 00:26:35:24
who have if you have a delivery driver,
they're wearing cameras now.

00:26:35:24 - 00:26:40:29
So it's, it's an interesting big thing,
you know, a lot of a lot of evidence,

00:26:40:29 - 00:26:41:22
a lot of footage.

00:26:41:22 - 00:26:44:24
But it's very important
to be able to capture these incidents.

00:26:45:11 - 00:26:47:18
Yeah, I think at the beginning,
and I remember years ago

00:26:47:18 - 00:26:49:07
there was a lot of discussion about,
you know,

00:26:49:07 - 00:26:50:24
oh, you know, I'm going to be recorded

00:26:50:24 - 00:26:53:04
now, you know, I'm going
to I'm going to say something wrong

00:26:53:04 - 00:26:55:06
and it's going to be caught on thing
and, you know, whatever.

00:26:55:06 - 00:26:57:29
And but I think most people
have gotten beyond that.

00:26:57:29 - 00:27:01:25
And, you know, we realize that in normal
everyday, conversation

00:27:02:05 - 00:27:03:15
or whatever certain things are said,

00:27:03:15 - 00:27:05:13
they're not really meant the same,
you know, the same way.

00:27:05:13 - 00:27:07:24
So I haven't seen a lot of those
little things.

00:27:07:24 - 00:27:10:19
I mean, most of what we see on the body
cameras are the big things,

00:27:10:19 - 00:27:13:28
the big events, the shoot officer involved
shootings, those kinds of things.

00:27:15:07 - 00:27:18:07
So in your opinion, or like

00:27:18:11 - 00:27:21:03
from your perspective,
like what's been the most compelling

00:27:21:03 - 00:27:24:11
or real world investigative uses of body
worn camera footage

00:27:24:14 - 00:27:27:14
that you've seen?

00:27:27:17 - 00:27:29:17
That

00:27:29:17 - 00:27:33:01
I've seen directly involve, 
probably the biggest.

00:27:33:01 - 00:27:36:22
Well, there's a couple in both happened, 
officer was shot,

00:27:37:16 - 00:27:40:02
and the, camera,

00:27:40:02 - 00:27:43:02
was a witness to the shooting.

00:27:43:14 - 00:27:46:16
And one of them happened in Florida,
and it was at night,

00:27:46:17 - 00:27:49:17
behind an apartment building.

00:27:49:20 - 00:27:52:08
And the AB three

00:27:52:08 - 00:27:55:08
camera was the only witness to the murder.

00:27:55:13 - 00:28:01:15
And so, when they caught the suspect,
there was a claim

00:28:01:15 - 00:28:05:06
and that when the officer was in sleep
mode, and so.

00:28:05:17 - 00:28:07:24
But, well, let me back up a little bit.

00:28:07:24 - 00:28:11:22
In the past, we would get a lot of claims
that video has been altered

00:28:11:22 - 00:28:15:09
because there's 30s of silence
in the beginning.

00:28:15:09 - 00:28:17:19
So they must have deleted the audio

00:28:18:20 - 00:28:20:08
people got used to.

00:28:20:08 - 00:28:22:00
Okay, that's the buffer period.

00:28:22:00 - 00:28:26:21
And these cameras automatically attach a
no audio buffer to the beginning.

00:28:27:06 - 00:28:29:02
This one was flipped.

00:28:29:02 - 00:28:31:20
This one began with no buffer.

00:28:31:20 - 00:28:33:12
And there was audio
right at the beginning.

00:28:33:12 - 00:28:36:16
So they're like, oh, they must have
deleted the buffer period before that.

00:28:36:19 - 00:28:40:09
So it was easy to explain the device
audit trail.

00:28:40:23 - 00:28:44:02
I mentioned the evidence audit trail
before that follows the evidence.

00:28:44:02 - 00:28:49:01
There's also a device audit trail that
every camera in its memory is recording.

00:28:49:01 - 00:28:52:01
Every action,
the camera, every button push,

00:28:53:20 - 00:28:55:24
what's displayed on the display?

00:28:55:24 - 00:28:57:21
Everything is recorded in a log.

00:28:57:21 - 00:29:00:21
And that is displayed in an audit trail.

00:29:00:24 - 00:29:03:28
So you can pull that device audit
trail and tell,

00:29:03:28 - 00:29:07:03
okay, what was this
camera doing right before the recording?

00:29:07:08 - 00:29:09:26
In this case, it was in sleep mode.

00:29:09:26 - 00:29:11:18
And it's not buffering at that point.

00:29:11:18 - 00:29:17:24
So we were able to show why and then do
the Sha256 hash and prove without a doubt

00:29:17:24 - 00:29:21:16
that, okay, this video is identical
to what was recorded.

00:29:22:13 - 00:29:25:27
And so those having the witness
to a murder,

00:29:25:27 - 00:29:27:12
that is probably the biggest ones

00:29:27:12 - 00:29:30:19
I've seen, I've seen a lot of cases
with, you know, body worn video.

00:29:30:22 - 00:29:34:17
We use it a lot with, Taser deployments, 
looking at body

00:29:34:17 - 00:29:38:04
worn video, trying to determine, you know,
where did the probes go?

00:29:38:04 - 00:29:40:20
And, like, if one of the probes missed,
where did it go?

00:29:40:20 - 00:29:41:13
And trying to

00:29:41:13 - 00:29:46:09
you know, locate things or determine
what was happening in a certain situation.

00:29:46:09 - 00:29:47:15
So very funny.

00:29:47:15 - 00:29:50:15
One has just been a, a game changer.

00:29:50:18 - 00:29:52:15
In law enforcement.

00:29:52:15 - 00:29:52:29
Yeah.

00:29:52:29 - 00:29:55:24
People may not know this about you, but,
sometime, actually,

00:29:55:24 - 00:29:59:03
this was going to be a recorded,
we were going to record this,

00:29:59:03 - 00:30:01:10
and then I was going to broadcast
this and part of the reason

00:30:01:10 - 00:30:03:21
was because you're traveling
and I'm traveling to.

00:30:03:21 - 00:30:06:23
But you're on the road a lot,
and you're you're testifying quite a bit.

00:30:06:23 - 00:30:11:26
And, curious about what is
what is the most typical request of you,

00:30:11:26 - 00:30:15:24
like when somebody, you know, comes to
axon and says, hey, we've got this case,

00:30:16:00 - 00:30:18:23
we need some clarification.
We need to understand what's going on.

00:30:18:23 - 00:30:19:11
What what is it?

00:30:19:11 - 00:30:23:17
What's what do you find
when you go to trial are sort of the

00:30:23:18 - 00:30:27:17
repeating themes, the repeating things
that they they keep asking you for.

00:30:29:19 - 00:30:31:17
As far as body worn footage,

00:30:31:17 - 00:30:35:09
it's typically the same
just authenticating the footage,

00:30:35:09 - 00:30:38:29
and using the device logs to determine

00:30:38:29 - 00:30:41:29
what was the camera state
right before it recorded.

00:30:42:14 - 00:30:45:05
And so we've had I mean,

00:30:45:05 - 00:30:49:27
there was one there was a officer
involved shooting and the camera rebooted,

00:30:50:12 - 00:30:54:07
right before it was like,
right in the middle of things happening.

00:30:54:13 - 00:30:55:17
The camera rebooted.

00:30:55:17 - 00:30:58:15
So had to go on to explain
why did that happen.

00:30:58:15 - 00:31:00:14
And so typically it's stuff like that.

00:31:00:14 - 00:31:06:07
Explain what was the camera doing at
the time and authenticating the footage.

00:31:06:07 - 00:31:09:09
That's typically
what I'm working on with cameras.

00:31:09:23 - 00:31:10:18
Okay. Yeah.

00:31:10:18 - 00:31:16:03
I seen some, information
that said that body cameras

00:31:16:03 - 00:31:19:23
can also reduce, for example, complaints
from the public

00:31:20:04 - 00:31:22:24
because, well, I guess
it does a few things, because if you know

00:31:22:24 - 00:31:26:04
you're being recorded and you know
you want to do something mischievous,

00:31:26:17 - 00:31:29:17
you know, you tend to watch
what you're going to be doing,

00:31:29:21 - 00:31:33:25
but at the same time, you know, you know,
when you're not being recorded, right?

00:31:33:25 - 00:31:36:21
People can say and do things
or they can claim things.

00:31:36:21 - 00:31:39:01
You know, that
may or may not have happened or whatever.

00:31:39:01 - 00:31:42:01
So I'm just wondering
if there has been any benefit

00:31:42:01 - 00:31:44:10
where, for example,
there's a reduction of complaints

00:31:44:10 - 00:31:48:09
or there's just, it brings some,
some clarity to different situations?

00:31:49:08 - 00:31:50:06
Yeah, absolutely.

00:31:50:06 - 00:31:55:23
And I know I did a study on, 
that on reduced complaints against police.

00:31:56:00 - 00:31:59:27
And it's really because
once a person knows they're being recorded

00:32:00:12 - 00:32:03:00
and that is going to be shown
to a judge later,

00:32:03:00 - 00:32:04:22
they change their behavior typically.

00:32:04:22 - 00:32:06:00
I mean, sometimes they don't.

00:32:06:00 - 00:32:09:03
But, in most cases
you got to change a behavior.

00:32:09:03 - 00:32:12:15
And people are more respectful
when they know they're being recorded.

00:32:14:06 - 00:32:18:19
On the flip side,
if someone's recorded, committing a crime

00:32:19:05 - 00:32:22:09
and, they want to claim the, the,

00:32:22:13 - 00:32:26:16
you know, the footage has been altered
or what, trying to get that thrown out

00:32:26:26 - 00:32:30:22
as soon as they know that's not getting
thrown out and it's going to be, you know,

00:32:30:26 - 00:32:32:24
we have video evidence of what you did.

00:32:32:24 - 00:32:36:15
Typically you get a guilty plea
and they don't try it out in court.

00:32:36:22 - 00:32:39:08
They admit to it and move on.

00:32:39:08 - 00:32:40:08
Okay.

00:32:40:08 - 00:32:43:06
So there's still, I, I ask this question

00:32:43:06 - 00:32:46:06
every now and then with respect to,

00:32:46:08 - 00:32:49:21
you know, what agencies have body cameras

00:32:49:21 - 00:32:51:29
because there's still a lot
that don't use body cameras.

00:32:51:29 - 00:32:52:27
So there's still like

00:32:52:27 - 00:32:55:27
there's still a market out there,
you know, where people are deciding.

00:32:56:06 - 00:33:00:12
So, I'm curious to ask you about, 
implementation.

00:33:00:12 - 00:33:04:03
So, for example, if somebody wants
to embark on a body camera program,

00:33:04:15 - 00:33:08:04
like, what are the important things
to consider in terms

00:33:08:04 - 00:33:11:27
of, you know, getting that implemented
successfully at a police agency?

00:33:14:07 - 00:33:17:14
For the most part,
it'll be just setting up their program.

00:33:17:16 - 00:33:21:28
You know, as far as how much storage
they're going to need, what settings

00:33:21:28 - 00:33:23:03
should they use?

00:33:23:03 - 00:33:26:11
I mean, you need someone
who really knows their culture.

00:33:26:15 - 00:33:31:04
So are you are you policing farmland
or are you in a city

00:33:31:14 - 00:33:36:00
and, you know, what what type of crimes
are happening in the city?

00:33:36:00 - 00:33:37:27
What do you need to monitor?

00:33:37:27 - 00:33:40:21
So knowing all that,
you can customize your program.

00:33:40:21 - 00:33:44:28
We have so many customers,
even the settings on the axon body for

00:33:45:08 - 00:33:48:08
I did a presentation where I had a slide
that showed the settings.

00:33:48:13 - 00:33:51:16
And it's just it gets bigger and bigger
because we keep adding,

00:33:51:19 - 00:33:54:16
features to it because it's software,

00:33:54:16 - 00:33:58:12
the hardware is built and,
we can add features and software.

00:33:58:19 - 00:34:01:25
Now we have, there's a, push button.

00:34:01:25 - 00:34:04:25
You can push a button
and have I do a translation.

00:34:05:03 - 00:34:08:15
So if we have a police officer
with someone who doesn't speak the

00:34:08:15 - 00:34:12:26
same language, they can have,
I do a live translation on the scene

00:34:13:05 - 00:34:15:15
and they can communicate back and forth.

00:34:15:15 - 00:34:18:28
I mentioned the watch me button
where they can get a live stream

00:34:18:28 - 00:34:20:05
from their supervisor.

00:34:20:05 - 00:34:25:21
And so all that is, updated and enhanced,
you know, through software.

00:34:25:21 - 00:34:30:05
And so, you know, the camera's built,
we're going to keep improving the,

00:34:30:05 - 00:34:34:25
the technology and, the durability
and reliability of the hardware.

00:34:35:07 - 00:34:38:18
But at the same time,
we have, a lot of software

00:34:38:18 - 00:34:42:13
engineers working
on, features and tools to,

00:34:42:20 - 00:34:47:27
capture better evidence, 
but also make UN officers life easier.

00:34:48:02 - 00:34:49:11
They don't have to think about it.

00:34:50:14 - 00:34:50:28
You know, for

00:34:50:28 - 00:34:55:27
instance, we have on the body camera,
it's uploaded, and then they can have, I,

00:34:55:27 - 00:35:01:14
you know, where it reads off,
you know, it takes

00:35:01:14 - 00:35:06:04
the spoken languages and they can get
a printout of everything that was said.

00:35:06:09 - 00:35:09:20
And so that's all all driven
by the software and I.

00:35:09:20 - 00:35:14:16
So it's, look,
knowing all the features that you need,

00:35:14:19 - 00:35:18:13
so I would say my recommendations
ask a lot of questions.

00:35:18:23 - 00:35:23:00
A program being set up
will have someone who's setting it up,

00:35:23:10 - 00:35:26:12
and I just advise them
to ask a lot of questions

00:35:26:12 - 00:35:29:12
and talk a lot about your culture
and what's going on.

00:35:29:13 - 00:35:32:07
And we can customize, each feature

00:35:32:07 - 00:35:36:11
on the camera to what you need,
and it can be adjusted later as well.

00:35:37:21 - 00:35:41:17
In terms
of the like the size of the agency.

00:35:41:17 - 00:35:43:09
So, you know, if it's a really, you know,

00:35:43:09 - 00:35:46:18
let's say it's New York City or Toronto
or Chicago or something like that.

00:35:46:18 - 00:35:48:05
Let's say, like they're really large.

00:35:48:05 - 00:35:51:21
Are they typically going to have somebody
who is dedicated to because

00:35:51:26 - 00:35:56:05
there's a ton of, you know, again, like,
you know, if you got hundreds of officers

00:35:56:05 - 00:36:00:14
that are on the road collecting data
or whatever on a daily basis,

00:36:00:14 - 00:36:04:11
do they typically hire somebody or
have somebody who's dedicated to the body?

00:36:05:19 - 00:36:08:16
Camera program
and they're managing data and such?

00:36:08:16 - 00:36:11:16
And then what happens in smaller agencies
when you just have,

00:36:11:24 - 00:36:14:05
you know, it's a smaller group,
maybe they don't want to have, like,

00:36:14:05 - 00:36:17:18
do they just give it to, the supervisor?

00:36:17:18 - 00:36:19:06
Do they give it to the IT department?

00:36:19:06 - 00:36:20:21
Like what
what is the structure like there.

00:36:22:06 - 00:36:24:03
And it's all over the place.

00:36:24:03 - 00:36:25:13
So I've seen so many.

00:36:25:13 - 00:36:29:09
So where you have an agency
with thousands of officers,

00:36:29:09 - 00:36:32:28
they typically have a body
worn program department.

00:36:33:13 - 00:36:36:13
And so you'll have your administrators

00:36:36:15 - 00:36:41:13
and maintenance and, you know,
so you'll have a team of people

00:36:41:24 - 00:36:43:09
and then you have smaller agencies

00:36:43:09 - 00:36:47:05
where you just might have one body
worn camera administrator or coordinator.

00:36:47:16 - 00:36:51:01
And, you know, they're the expert and they
they're the administrator.

00:36:51:20 - 00:36:55:24
And then on the smaller agencies,
you know, where you only have like

00:36:55:24 - 00:37:00:09
12 officers or so, the best officer or,
you know, maybe there,

00:37:00:14 - 00:37:03:19
some agencies might not even have an IT
department.

00:37:03:19 - 00:37:04:16
They sort that out.

00:37:04:16 - 00:37:07:19
So you have, you know, Lieutenant Smith

00:37:07:20 - 00:37:11:01
is the most technology
technologically capable.

00:37:11:08 - 00:37:14:01
And he'll be in charge
of their particular program.

00:37:14:01 - 00:37:17:23
And so but as it scales to the larger

00:37:17:23 - 00:37:20:23
sizes,
you have more people involved typically.

00:37:20:27 - 00:37:21:17
Okay.

00:37:21:17 - 00:37:24:17
Are there still agencies that
or have you heard,

00:37:24:21 - 00:37:27:21
do you still get arguments against body
worn cameras

00:37:27:21 - 00:37:31:01
in this sort of day and age,
or if people mostly been sold on it?

00:37:31:01 - 00:37:33:12
I mean, I find it hard to believe,

00:37:33:12 - 00:37:34:04
like even right now,

00:37:34:04 - 00:37:35:22
I think that if, you know,
if somebody were to pull the plug

00:37:35:22 - 00:37:38:15
on all the body worn cameras out there,
it would be very difficult to

00:37:39:19 - 00:37:40:22
adjust to something like that.

00:37:40:22 - 00:37:43:06
I mean, you know, it
just in terms of transparency

00:37:43:06 - 00:37:46:09
and all the stuff
we see on YouTube and everything else.

00:37:46:09 - 00:37:49:05
But are there still agencies
that are like, no, we're not interested,

00:37:49:05 - 00:37:49:18
we're good.

00:37:49:18 - 00:37:52:06
You know, we we,
we don't believe in that sort of thing.

00:37:52:06 - 00:37:56:02
Or or do you find that people are like,
yeah, we're just just a matter of time.

00:37:56:02 - 00:37:58:18
We're coming on board.

00:37:58:18 - 00:38:01:02
I don't know of any
you who, don't want it.

00:38:01:02 - 00:38:03:12
So I think it's proven.

00:38:03:12 - 00:38:05:20
Adds value so many times.

00:38:05:20 - 00:38:10:14
You know, one with,
capturing actions of criminals.

00:38:10:26 - 00:38:13:18
But, also protecting

00:38:13:18 - 00:38:18:17
officers against false claims
or also catching a bad officer

00:38:19:04 - 00:38:22:09
committing crimes or doing bad stuff
while they're policing.

00:38:22:25 - 00:38:27:20
And so the accountability of it,
was a game changer.

00:38:27:20 - 00:38:31:04
And it really changed how police work.

00:38:31:04 - 00:38:33:25
And you know what? Standard equipment.

00:38:33:25 - 00:38:37:24
So I don't know of any agencies
who don't want body cameras.

00:38:37:24 - 00:38:38:21
It's probably more just,

00:38:39:21 - 00:38:41:10
you know, getting budget

00:38:41:10 - 00:38:44:29
from their city
or town, to be able to do it.

00:38:45:21 - 00:38:46:26
Okay.

00:38:46:26 - 00:38:50:26
You mentioned I and the fact
that you can do transcription right now,

00:38:51:04 - 00:38:55:26
and I'm wondering about what other things
you might be able to do in terms of,

00:38:56:25 - 00:38:59:05
redaction or detecting like,

00:38:59:05 - 00:39:03:00
relevant segments inside the video,

00:39:03:08 - 00:39:07:00
maybe, blurring faces
or like doing other stuff like that.

00:39:07:00 - 00:39:08:19
Have you,
have you had any thoughts about that

00:39:08:19 - 00:39:10:10
or is there anything coming
that you could talk about?

00:39:10:10 - 00:39:13:10
I don't know.

00:39:15:00 - 00:39:16:10
As far as future

00:39:16:10 - 00:39:20:13
plans,
I can't talk too much on, on those, but,

00:39:20:15 - 00:39:27:06
I can say like, redaction, redaction
was a major pain for agencies, you know?

00:39:27:06 - 00:39:30:06
Yeah. Freedom of Information Act requests.

00:39:30:10 - 00:39:35:06
However, you have to protect officers
or and civilians.

00:39:35:20 - 00:39:39:02
And so you had
someone had to go in and redact a video

00:39:39:14 - 00:39:41:03
and that was time consuming.

00:39:41:03 - 00:39:43:00
And when you have a lot of requests,
you know, it

00:39:43:00 - 00:39:45:29
pretty much became a full time job
for someone.

00:39:45:29 - 00:39:49:22
And now, we have a redaction studio
where there's,

00:39:50:01 - 00:39:54:07
you know, it's, software driven,
but it's also AI as involved.

00:39:54:16 - 00:39:59:16
So you can say, for instance, highlight
a face that you don't want, shown

00:39:59:26 - 00:40:01:07
and do the redaction.

00:40:01:07 - 00:40:05:16
And then I tracks that and falls and moves
the redaction across the screen,

00:40:05:16 - 00:40:09:19
where in the past that was well,
it started off purely manual.

00:40:09:24 - 00:40:12:24
And then there was some software
automation to it.

00:40:12:24 - 00:40:16:07
I really changed the game,
with that type of stuff.

00:40:16:18 - 00:40:20:18
And then, like I said, the translations
or transcription,

00:40:21:03 - 00:40:24:08
and it's growing just in the future,

00:40:24:08 - 00:40:27:08
I see it, just getting better and better.

00:40:27:16 - 00:40:31:06
Our job is to make the officers life
easier and,

00:40:31:06 - 00:40:33:07
capture the best evidence possible.

00:40:33:07 - 00:40:34:15
So, you know,

00:40:34:15 - 00:40:38:11
when we have the camera, you know,
the camera recording from the lens.

00:40:38:18 - 00:40:43:18
But this device is, you know, pretty much
turning into what our cell phones

00:40:43:18 - 00:40:47:29
are, you know, LTE connection,
you know, cellular connection data.

00:40:48:03 - 00:40:51:27
And so now you have live streaming
and you have data processing going on.

00:40:51:27 - 00:40:55:25
So it's it's
just getting better and better, and fast.

00:40:55:28 - 00:40:56:20
So yeah.

00:40:56:20 - 00:40:58:25
Well when yeah,
when you talked about the future

00:40:58:25 - 00:41:01:02
things, that's
what was going on in my head is that it's

00:41:01:02 - 00:41:04:01
not just a camera,
it's it's a device that's going to.

00:41:04:01 - 00:41:06:22
I was actually thinking about the mobile
phone. Cell phone? Exactly.

00:41:06:22 - 00:41:09:04
A smartphone or something
that has intelligence.

00:41:09:04 - 00:41:12:23
And, maybe in the future
you'll be talking to it or whatever

00:41:12:23 - 00:41:13:29
and telling it to do things for you.

00:41:13:29 - 00:41:14:16
You never know.

00:41:14:16 - 00:41:17:02
So we'll see. We'll see what happens.

00:41:17:02 - 00:41:19:24
I think yeah, I think that's
where the future is going to be.

00:41:19:24 - 00:41:22:05
You know, the camera is, durable.

00:41:22:05 - 00:41:27:18
You know, we can of as battery performance
improves, as the technology improves,

00:41:27:28 - 00:41:31:05
we're going to continue
working on making sure

00:41:31:05 - 00:41:34:19
the battery performs 
better or can charge faster.

00:41:34:29 - 00:41:37:06
You know, reducing the time in the dock.

00:41:37:06 - 00:41:40:27
We're going to constantly work on upload,
you know, uploading quicker.

00:41:41:12 - 00:41:44:26
Utilizing storage better and all that.

00:41:44:26 - 00:41:49:06
But overall,
I think just the, the live interaction,

00:41:49:11 - 00:41:52:21
will be really the future where it's

00:41:52:21 - 00:41:57:12
just the making this toolbox bigger
without making the box bigger.

00:41:57:23 - 00:41:59:25
Yeah. Right. Right. We don't want it
bigger, that's for sure. We.

00:42:01:00 - 00:42:03:04
So let me take a couple of questions here.

00:42:03:04 - 00:42:08:16
Got one here from, Lo and behold, it
says does axon offer civilian body cams?

00:42:08:16 - 00:42:09:12
Which is a good question

00:42:09:12 - 00:42:13:04
because you already mentioned,
that there is a version of your camera.

00:42:13:04 - 00:42:15:04
I guess that is not for maybe.

00:42:15:04 - 00:42:18:12
Maybe there's a version for, public
safety people, but maybe there's a version

00:42:18:12 - 00:42:21:12
for civilians or for companies.

00:42:21:24 - 00:42:23:24
Yeah, well, definitely for companies.

00:42:23:24 - 00:42:28:27
We just recently launched our,

00:42:28:27 - 00:42:32:27
doing body
camera that's, really for companies.

00:42:33:12 - 00:42:36:27
And so, like, you have, delivery drivers

00:42:36:27 - 00:42:40:18
or you have, people
when might enter homes of people.

00:42:40:26 - 00:42:45:13
So they're starting to or even people
in the store, cashiers at the store,

00:42:45:21 - 00:42:49:13
they're starting to wear cameras
and recorded interactions.

00:42:49:13 - 00:42:53:29
And so we do offer that it's our,
axon body workforce.

00:42:54:15 - 00:42:57:28
Now, I'm not sure on civilians, like,

00:42:57:28 - 00:43:01:23
if just, you know,
a civilian can purchase a body camera.

00:43:02:08 - 00:43:06:16
Because all of our cameras work with axon
evidence, you know, in the storage.

00:43:06:16 - 00:43:11:15
So I'm not sure if we offer that
for civilians, but I know for companies,

00:43:11:15 - 00:43:15:27
we definitely have that and just launched,
axon body workforce,

00:43:15:27 - 00:43:19:22
which you have several different colors
of shell, of the camera.

00:43:20:03 - 00:43:22:26
And you have all the technology in there
as well.

00:43:22:26 - 00:43:24:08
Okay. Is there anything there?

00:43:24:08 - 00:43:27:00
Maybe, maybe some things
that are not included in that technology

00:43:27:00 - 00:43:30:00
that are available for the police,
or is most of it carried over?

00:43:30:16 - 00:43:34:06
I believe most like the I and the,
you know, the two way communication

00:43:34:06 - 00:43:35:03
and stuff like that.

00:43:35:03 - 00:43:36:23
I'm not really sure.

00:43:36:23 - 00:43:39:11
I haven't dove into the workforce.

00:43:39:11 - 00:43:42:03
Cameras too much. Oh, okay.

00:43:42:03 - 00:43:43:03
I got another question.

00:43:43:03 - 00:43:45:24
This one here is very specific.

00:43:45:24 - 00:43:50:01
Can an administrator remotely invalidate
or erase the devices encryption keys

00:43:50:09 - 00:43:53:08
if the body for is
lost, stolen or compromised?

00:43:54:15 - 00:43:56:18
No. There is no

00:43:56:18 - 00:44:00:06
deleting of evidence remotely, at all.

00:44:00:19 - 00:44:04:29
But the good news is a camera is lost,
or stolen.

00:44:06:14 - 00:44:08:12
That camera is assigned

00:44:08:12 - 00:44:12:05
to the agency
and the officer that it belongs to.

00:44:12:16 - 00:44:16:01
And so say the person
runs into an axon dock

00:44:16:08 - 00:44:19:17
and they're able to dock that camera,
the video will automatically

00:44:19:17 - 00:44:23:09
upload to the agency,
and then they have to have their agency

00:44:23:09 - 00:44:27:08
credentials
and, to log in and access that footage.

00:44:27:16 - 00:44:32:06
So even a civilian who finds one of these,
they can't access what is on it.

00:44:32:06 - 00:44:35:24
You have to have evidence, account
credentials to even view

00:44:35:24 - 00:44:37:20
the videos on their.

00:44:37:20 - 00:44:39:06
Okay, actually, there was a change.

00:44:39:06 - 00:44:42:22
Brian, help me out here because on the
I think it was on the body three

00:44:43:02 - 00:44:47:06
and the body for when you dock the device

00:44:47:13 - 00:44:50:12
like the body to and prior.

00:44:50:12 - 00:44:53:29
I believe the device itself had

00:44:53:29 - 00:44:56:29
some was kind of like the network or,
or something like that.

00:44:56:29 - 00:45:01:10
But I remember on the body three itself
is, it can communicate directly

00:45:01:19 - 00:45:06:00
through the dock with, evidence.com
or something like that.

00:45:06:17 - 00:45:08:17
Yeah. What's the distinction there?

00:45:08:17 - 00:45:11:18
So, yeah, up to body to the docking

00:45:11:18 - 00:45:15:24
station was your, your internet portal.

00:45:15:25 - 00:45:19:17
It, ran the operations,

00:45:19:17 - 00:45:24:08
to upload the videos to the internet,
on body three.

00:45:24:08 - 00:45:27:08
And body for the camera
is actually the router.

00:45:27:15 - 00:45:31:10
It's just the docking station
is just the portal to the internet.

00:45:31:10 - 00:45:36:02
So it's really just the converter from,
you know, USB to Ethernet.

00:45:36:13 - 00:45:42:09
But, this is like, so on the previous
ones, your dock had a mac address.

00:45:42:16 - 00:45:45:16
Now your camera is the Mac address.

00:45:45:19 - 00:45:47:01
Okay. Okay.

00:45:47:01 - 00:45:50:06
So what's the typical policy
when somebody comes back from a shift

00:45:50:06 - 00:45:51:02
or something like that?

00:45:51:02 - 00:45:52:12
They're just asked to drop the phone

00:45:52:12 - 00:45:56:22
inside of the, docking station,
and then it just it does its thing.

00:45:56:22 - 00:45:59:07
It also,
it's a it's a charging station as well.

00:45:59:07 - 00:46:01:25
So when it's in the docking in the cradle
or whatever,

00:46:01:25 - 00:46:04:17
you know, it can do that as well.

00:46:04:17 - 00:46:07:17
And I guess, I'm just thinking,

00:46:07:20 - 00:46:11:20
you know, when it's a large agency,
they must have, geez.

00:46:11:25 - 00:46:14:23
Like, you have some of the larger docks,
and then there's even, like, individual

00:46:14:23 - 00:46:16:04
or smaller docks that you have.

00:46:16:04 - 00:46:19:18
So, how do people typically manage that?

00:46:19:19 - 00:46:22:02
It's just people
keep a docking station at their desk,

00:46:22:02 - 00:46:23:22
or there's a central
location where they go to

00:46:25:07 - 00:46:27:18
it's really
up to the agency in their culture.

00:46:27:18 - 00:46:30:05
So, but we adapt.

00:46:30:05 - 00:46:31:29
We provide whatever tools they need.

00:46:31:29 - 00:46:35:03
So if you have a small agency
and they want everyone

00:46:35:03 - 00:46:37:12
to have one at home,
we have single bay docks

00:46:37:12 - 00:46:40:17
that they can bring home
and, you know, connect to their internet.

00:46:41:02 - 00:46:45:04
But if you have a large agency
where, you know, they have, upload room

00:46:45:17 - 00:46:51:12
and they have, you know, 30 or 40 docks
on the wall, we provide that as well.

00:46:51:12 - 00:46:54:09
So those are typically
I think it's eight bays.

00:46:54:09 - 00:46:58:28
So eight
cameras, uploads the data from the camera

00:46:58:28 - 00:47:03:07
and recharges the battery and loads
firmware for the camera.

00:47:03:07 - 00:47:06:22
Like if we have updates,
then it loads firmware onto the camera.

00:47:07:01 - 00:47:11:07
And also, if they say an agency
is trying and setting and they decide

00:47:11:14 - 00:47:14:08
we want to change that,
they don't need to gather all the cameras,

00:47:14:08 - 00:47:19:02
they just push that to change
the setting on their, admin site.

00:47:19:17 - 00:47:23:08
And then every camera, when it gets docked
will load that new setting and start

00:47:23:08 - 00:47:24:24
operating with the new settings.

00:47:24:24 - 00:47:29:01
So, okay, it's, having the dock
is very valuable that how they do it.

00:47:29:25 - 00:47:33:04
You have very small agencies,
two giant agencies.

00:47:33:04 - 00:47:36:10
And so we just make it
so it's customizable

00:47:36:10 - 00:47:39:03
to however they want to operate.

00:47:39:03 - 00:47:40:00
Okay. Gotcha.

00:47:40:00 - 00:47:43:00
You had mentioned audio before
and I meant to ask this and I forgot, but

00:47:43:00 - 00:47:43:11
yeah.

00:47:43:11 - 00:47:46:07
Are there there's you see that
there's, there's more than one.

00:47:46:07 - 00:47:49:13
There's two microphones in
or in the device or is there

00:47:49:13 - 00:47:52:27
even, there's more. There's several.

00:47:52:27 - 00:47:55:23
I forget the exact number,
but there's several microphones.

00:47:55:23 - 00:47:59:24
And so
or we're doing a lot of audio processing,

00:48:00:01 - 00:48:04:02
for instance, on the side of a freeway,
we want to be able to,

00:48:04:02 - 00:48:08:25
bring out voices, you know, spoken voices
rather than road noise and all that.

00:48:08:25 - 00:48:14:08
And so, we added multiple cameras
to do noise reduction and stuff like that.

00:48:14:08 - 00:48:15:13
So. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

00:48:15:13 - 00:48:18:13
So you're probably filtering out
some of the low, low frequency

00:48:18:13 - 00:48:21:28
sounds so that the wind and stuff
like that out of this thing.

00:48:22:18 - 00:48:23:18
Yeah.

00:48:23:18 - 00:48:26:02
Especially like wind
noise and road noise that

00:48:26:02 - 00:48:29:27
there's a camera picks it up different
than the human error does.

00:48:30:03 - 00:48:33:04
So we try to make it more to
what a person would hear.

00:48:33:19 - 00:48:35:25
We never we never wanted the camera.

00:48:35:25 - 00:48:37:14
Even in low light situations.

00:48:37:14 - 00:48:40:14
We don't want the camera to outperform
what human can do.

00:48:40:27 - 00:48:44:18
Because we don't want people thinking
that officers have night vision.

00:48:45:03 - 00:48:48:15
And so we try to make the low
light quality, but it's a balance.

00:48:48:15 - 00:48:52:20
And we actually have, 
optics and audio engineers,

00:48:52:29 - 00:48:57:04
you know, probably the best in the world
who work for us and, you know, help

00:48:57:04 - 00:49:00:12
put into the design to make it the best

00:49:00:12 - 00:49:03:12
recording, but not out performing.

00:49:03:23 - 00:49:06:06
You know what?
What to expect from a human.

00:49:06:06 - 00:49:09:06
So we'll never put night vision on these

00:49:09:06 - 00:49:13:19
where you can see clearly
what an officer wouldn't be able to see.

00:49:13:19 - 00:49:16:15
So we try to balance it
and keep it reasonable.

00:49:16:15 - 00:49:20:27
But you also can't you can't match
electronic technology with the human eye.

00:49:20:27 - 00:49:22:27
There's so many differences.

00:49:22:27 - 00:49:25:18
But overall this captures the scene.

00:49:25:18 - 00:49:27:08
What's going on in the scene.

00:49:27:08 - 00:49:29:26
Not necessarily what the officer saw.

00:49:29:26 - 00:49:31:23
You know, that's part of the forensics.

00:49:31:23 - 00:49:34:27
You know, you have an officer,
you know, camera facing this way, but

00:49:34:27 - 00:49:37:27
officer sees something or,
you know, is looking over here.

00:49:37:27 - 00:49:39:13
Well,
they didn't see what was going on there.

00:49:39:13 - 00:49:41:09
So it's all that to consider.

00:49:41:09 - 00:49:43:19
And, video forensics.

00:49:43:19 - 00:49:46:24
But as far as the hardware
making the camera,

00:49:46:24 - 00:49:51:28
we just try to provide the best evidence
view of the situation

00:49:52:04 - 00:49:56:02
and audio
without making it super human as well.

00:49:56:17 - 00:49:58:03
Yeah, well,
that's a really good point actually,

00:49:58:03 - 00:50:00:27
because again, like having something
that's pointed forward

00:50:00:27 - 00:50:03:24
and turning your head and looking to
the left is not the same thing.

00:50:03:24 - 00:50:08:11
So I imagine I got imagine that comes up
at trial sometimes about perspective

00:50:08:11 - 00:50:11:11
and what the officer sees versus
what the camera sees.

00:50:11:19 - 00:50:14:19
Yeah, that's that's probably a big issue.

00:50:14:28 - 00:50:15:21
It does.

00:50:15:21 - 00:50:16:15
It comes up a lot.

00:50:16:15 - 00:50:19:02
And I'm not, I'm not a video
forensics expert.

00:50:19:02 - 00:50:23:07
We we do know a lot
and have a few that work here.

00:50:24:05 - 00:50:27:05
But for instance, changes in light.

00:50:27:05 - 00:50:30:17
This camera adjusts to changes in light.

00:50:30:25 - 00:50:35:23
So you can go from in a dark room,
open a door and go out into the bright.

00:50:35:23 - 00:50:37:11
And that's going to adjust really fast.

00:50:37:11 - 00:50:42:13
But the human eye takes time to adjust,
especially if you go from light into dark.

00:50:43:01 - 00:50:45:05
You can't see, but the camera can.

00:50:45:05 - 00:50:48:05
And so there's differences
there of perspective

00:50:48:16 - 00:50:52:21
that have to be considered in the
the forensic analysis of the video.

00:50:53:08 - 00:50:56:07
But as far as putting the camera
together,

00:50:56:07 - 00:50:58:13
there are some things, you know,
like adjusting the light, it's

00:50:58:13 - 00:51:02:18
better on the camera to outperform
what the human can do in that instance.

00:51:03:03 - 00:51:05:29
But we also don't want to put like night
vision, where

00:51:05:29 - 00:51:09:23
no reasonable person
can see in the dark of the room.

00:51:09:23 - 00:51:13:07
But the camera's lit everything up,
you know, something like that.

00:51:13:20 - 00:51:14:21
That's unreasonable.

00:51:14:21 - 00:51:19:18
But, you know, in other ways,
we try to make it adjust quickly

00:51:19:18 - 00:51:22:28
so that it does show
rather than a washed out

00:51:22:28 - 00:51:25:28
screen,
you know, adjust to the light quickly.

00:51:26:08 - 00:51:26:26
Okay.

00:51:26:26 - 00:51:28:04
I can see in the chat window

00:51:28:04 - 00:51:31:19
there are some police folk here
that are there watching,

00:51:31:27 - 00:51:37:13
and I'm just, I was going to ask you,
you know, what advice would you give them?

00:51:37:13 - 00:51:41:14
Or what things
should you be careful of in terms of,

00:51:41:14 - 00:51:46:12
you know, managing the video or, you know,
what things can, can get them into,

00:51:46:13 - 00:51:48:14
not just say, trouble,
but just things that they should be

00:51:48:14 - 00:51:51:22
careful of when managing their
their video and the cameras.

00:51:53:22 - 00:51:56:26
I would
say the biggest as far as managing

00:51:56:26 - 00:52:00:00
the evidence is, categorization.

00:52:00:25 - 00:52:04:20
And so when evidence is recorded,
make sure it's categorized

00:52:04:20 - 00:52:07:27
properly, because your categories

00:52:07:27 - 00:52:12:05
will determine the,
when the video is eventually deleted.

00:52:12:16 - 00:52:15:28
And I've seen cases
where a very important video

00:52:16:02 - 00:52:19:02
was mis categorized
and deleted off the server.

00:52:19:04 - 00:52:21:13
No one intended for it.

00:52:21:13 - 00:52:24:13
It was just
it was accidentally mis categorized.

00:52:24:20 - 00:52:28:23
But then once it's deleted off the axon
evidence servers, it's gone.

00:52:28:23 - 00:52:29:25
We can't recover it.

00:52:29:25 - 00:52:33:00
And so I say categorization
is probably the biggest thing

00:52:33:00 - 00:52:36:00
to pay attention to on the program.

00:52:36:22 - 00:52:40:19
And then the, you know,
as far as camera maintenance, just,

00:52:40:22 - 00:52:45:22
making sure they're being docked and,
you know, batteries being charged.

00:52:45:29 - 00:52:48:29
The charger also, does measurements

00:52:48:29 - 00:52:52:22
and it's trying
to, adjust for battery life.

00:52:52:22 - 00:52:55:21
You know, if you have a camera
docked all the time and the battery

00:52:55:21 - 00:52:58:21
fully charged all the time,
that's really bad for a lithium battery.

00:52:58:21 - 00:53:01:28
So we have adjustments going on in there
to try to,

00:53:02:12 - 00:53:07:00
you know, maximize battery life over
not not just one shift,

00:53:07:06 - 00:53:10:06
but the life of the camera,
the life of the battery.

00:53:10:18 - 00:53:12:24
What does the, body for?

00:53:12:24 - 00:53:16:07
Like what
what kind of, life does it have?

00:53:16:07 - 00:53:18:01
Obviously, it depends on
how much it's recording, I guess.

00:53:18:01 - 00:53:19:21
But, you know, just in general use,

00:53:19:21 - 00:53:22:25
is it like a full eight hour shift
or something like that or six hours?

00:53:22:25 - 00:53:24:19
What is it? More than that.

00:53:24:19 - 00:53:30:00
We we're up to, I believe, party
force, 13 hours, of runtime.

00:53:30:18 - 00:53:34:23
And that's with
they did a model with, some streaming or,

00:53:35:04 - 00:53:37:16
you know, just depends on
what's going on with the camera,

00:53:37:16 - 00:53:39:05
how many processes are going on.

00:53:39:05 - 00:53:42:25
But, on average, we say about 13 hours.

00:53:43:02 - 00:53:46:28
So because we want them
to get through a full 12 hour shift.

00:53:47:13 - 00:53:51:20
And so that's where our design parameters,
we want to get over 12 hours.

00:53:52:06 - 00:53:53:16
Okay. Excellent.

00:53:53:16 - 00:53:55:15
So Brian, what is next for you?

00:53:55:15 - 00:53:58:22
What's next? Are you, you know, or.

00:53:58:22 - 00:54:01:25
I mean, I imagine you get involved
quite a bit with sort of development

00:54:01:25 - 00:54:03:13
and maybe some new things that are coming
down.

00:54:03:13 - 00:54:06:04
But, is there anything you're working on
or anything like little projects

00:54:06:04 - 00:54:10:11
or little things that are interesting
that, you can talk about,

00:54:10:15 - 00:54:13:16
that's sort of your,
your next, next sort of project or moves

00:54:13:16 - 00:54:14:11
or anything interesting,

00:54:15:24 - 00:54:17:29
future cool stuff in development.

00:54:17:29 - 00:54:20:06
I can't really talk about.

00:54:20:06 - 00:54:23:03
Well, for all for me,
it's really growing my team,

00:54:23:03 - 00:54:27:13
maximizing our efficiency and,

00:54:27:13 - 00:54:30:20
you know, trying to get headcount
eventually.

00:54:30:20 - 00:54:33:23
And, you know, just make sure
we're keeping up with, demand.

00:54:33:26 - 00:54:37:15
You know, we have as axon grows
and as the product

00:54:37:16 - 00:54:40:24
offering grows, we have busier as well.

00:54:40:24 - 00:54:46:10
And so we just want to be here, you know,
when agencies need us and we prioritize.

00:54:46:10 - 00:54:49:08
You know, if court is next week
that's our focus.

00:54:49:08 - 00:54:52:12
But if courts in a year
and they need expert,

00:54:52:19 - 00:54:56:14
you know, expert analysis on whatever,

00:54:56:25 - 00:55:00:01
then you know, that goes into the Q and,
you know,

00:55:00:01 - 00:55:04:19
just try to maximize making sure
we're helping everyone that we can.

00:55:05:01 - 00:55:06:10
Right. Okay.

00:55:06:10 - 00:55:07:28
Last question, I promise. Okay.

00:55:07:28 - 00:55:10:29
So here it says how does the body
for manage heat dissipation during

00:55:10:29 - 00:55:15:07
extended high resolution recording,
which is a good it was a good question.

00:55:15:07 - 00:55:17:06
These are small, compact devices.

00:55:17:06 - 00:55:18:08
They're black.

00:55:18:08 - 00:55:22:27
And, well, you're you're in Arizona,
so you're in a good spot to test for heat.

00:55:23:26 - 00:55:24:05
Yeah.

00:55:24:05 - 00:55:24:15
Yeah.

00:55:24:15 - 00:55:27:15
We've we're in a great spot
for testing for heat.

00:55:27:23 - 00:55:32:15
Not so much for cold, but 
so for a heat dissipation there, there's,

00:55:32:15 - 00:55:36:28
the electronics are running
and they have heat sinks and, you know,

00:55:37:04 - 00:55:41:16
the the design is intentional
to have the best,

00:55:41:19 - 00:55:46:16
heat dissipation off of the processor
and the memory chips, and, you know,

00:55:46:21 - 00:55:49:17
anything that's generating heat inside.

00:55:49:17 - 00:55:52:24
And so we we test, we we operate, we

00:55:53:09 - 00:55:57:24
we spec these to operate up to 50 Celsius,
which is 122 Fahrenheit.

00:55:58:09 - 00:56:01:01
And so, you know, if,

00:56:01:01 - 00:56:04:11
if it's standing,
you know, it's got to be able to be

00:56:05:07 - 00:56:08:24
in an Arizona summer or standing
in the sun with a sun beating on it.

00:56:09:02 - 00:56:14:09
But also, you know, where you are
in January, you know, in the super cold.

00:56:14:19 - 00:56:17:21
You know, one thing,
lithium batteries don't like cold.

00:56:18:01 - 00:56:22:28
And so, you know, we try to maximize the
heat generated inside to help with that.

00:56:23:14 - 00:56:27:04
But so overall we're trying to operate
from below freezing

00:56:27:13 - 00:56:30:13
and to,
you know, the 120 degree temperatures

00:56:30:14 - 00:56:33:28
beyond that it's really a limitation
of the actual electronics.

00:56:33:28 - 00:56:38:03
But we design it to dissipate the heat
through heatsinks,

00:56:38:11 - 00:56:41:11
that are attached to the components.

00:56:41:26 - 00:56:43:04
Excellent.

00:56:43:04 - 00:56:44:25
Well, Brian, thanks so much for your time.

00:56:44:25 - 00:56:46:08
It's been very informative.

00:56:46:08 - 00:56:49:19
And, I've got a few more plans for the,

00:56:49:19 - 00:56:53:04
the cameras and research and ideas
and stuff like that.

00:56:53:04 - 00:56:56:14
So, again, thanks, Jackson.
Thanks to you.

00:56:56:24 - 00:56:59:23
And, I hope,
I'm still trying to get Rick Smith.

00:56:59:23 - 00:57:01:11
So if Rick Smith's going to listen
or somebody

00:57:01:11 - 00:57:03:12
your company's going to be, listening.

00:57:03:12 - 00:57:05:12
I want to see if I can get him on here
one day, too,

00:57:05:12 - 00:57:07:28
and maybe we'll be able to do an interview
with him. But.

00:57:07:28 - 00:57:09:16
Yeah. Look, thanks again for everything.

00:57:09:16 - 00:57:10:21
Hang back, if you don't mind.

00:57:10:21 - 00:57:13:21
And, 
I'll catch up with you in the second.

00:57:13:27 - 00:57:15:15
All right. Thanks for having me again.

00:57:15:15 - 00:57:16:07
All right. Cheers.

00:57:17:26 - 00:57:18:13
Okay, folks.

00:57:18:13 - 00:57:18:27
That's it.

00:57:18:27 - 00:57:21:22
Another episode of Forensics
Talks. Be on the lookout.

00:57:21:22 - 00:57:24:19
I'm going to be having another one
coming up in the next few weeks,

00:57:24:19 - 00:57:28:00
but I want to thank everyone for
their questions and for their comments.

00:57:28:00 - 00:57:29:22
So, look, have a great Thursday.

00:57:29:22 - 00:57:31:08
We'll see you next time. Bye bye.